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#10897767 Apr 06, 2015 at 07:13 PM · Edited over 6 years ago
DPS-75,000
11 Posts
Hi,I've been a member of a fleet for a very long time,the 14th will make 3 years.I've made it my home,I rose up through the ranks to upper staff two years ago.

A new gung-ho staff member asked why we couldn't get more fleet STFs going like we used to,several ideas came out,some good but they all danced around that huge white elephant in the living room no one is willing to discuss.

I brought it up and you would have thought that I asked the 1st officer's wife (anti-dps) if I could sacrifice her baby in Satan's name! These are quotes from my fleet's forum.



But I've heard several complaints and seen where some players are pushing DPS. And if that becomes a normal thing in AD I won't be on many teams since I don't have 10k DPS. I am happy with my ship and my build.


I just can't sit by when anytime I'm trying to help someone I get stifled ,whenever it's brought up in general fleet chat or Staff chat,I get smart ass commits from other staff members,I'll be damned if I'm going to let ignorance rule the day and them dictate what I talk about.I never push it on anyone,I keep an open door to those who want to learn.


What happened to this game being about fun. Now to many focus on DPS and not team work."



It's bad enough that they wallow in their stupidity,but when they pass their bad ideas to new members who struggle with limited resources wasting those precious resources acting on bad ideas,it turns my stomach and after I give good advice,this is what I hear........


And if that becomes a normal thing in Access Denied fleet, I won't be on many teams since I don't have 10k DPS. I am happy with my ship and my build




Well,it It already is a normal thing,that's why STFs are not run in fleet channel like they used to be was one of my responses,almost told her to shove it & I wouldn't have her on team anyway,getting carried away,some piled on me in this thread.


I guess you guys have heard this all before,looking for some positive feedback so I can help the one's who want to learn and show people who are anti-dps that we aren't some elitist monsters,well maybe some of you guys are :p


I read somewhere,I can't recall where,Ryan compared getting better dps to working his golf game,always striving to get better.I guess what I'm asking for is how to approach these people,or if there's any helpful links like Ryan's I just touched on,thanks for any feedback,still stuck in the 48k channel
When your games’s on the fritz with lag,you get frustrated.When you get frustrated your daughter imitates,when your daughter imitates, she gets thrown out of school. When she gets thrown out of school, she meets undesirables. When she meets undesirables, she ties the knot with undesirables. And when she ties the knot with undesirables, you get a grandson with a dog collar. Don’t have a grandson with a dog collar,get rid of lag
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#10898906 Apr 07, 2015 at 03:31 AM
29 Posts
Hi Kate. It's sad to hear such things, but not really new. We expirienced the same development in our fleet and we had tons of discussions how to bring back fun and harmony into our fleet. So far we didn't find a solution, only some small improvements.

I think, it's a game wide phenomenon. There are people who just want to fly around, have fun and sometimes shoot something. And there are people who are good and/or want to be better, because improving their characters is the only challenge they find in this game. But what does it mean to improve? In the game's current situation, there are only a few things, you can seek after reaching level 60: Fill you specialisations, tier up your reputation and your crafting schools and upgrading/replacing your stuff for a better in-fight performance. And there it breaks trough the wall, your huge white elephant: If you want to improve yourself, DPS is currently your only senseful measure. Why? Because DPS is all you need. Healing and tanking are nice (I really miss the time in my Ody tank) and can be fun, but first they don't kill the enemies and second they are much harder to evaluate. AND most important: DPS means speed (and safety) in completing the mission. More speed = faster gain your marks, crafting materials, dilithium.
In the end, it is a vicious circle: If you want to improve yourself, you have to farm resources, especially dilithium. For more efficient farming you need DPS.

In our fleet we came to the conclusion, that the current situation is mainly the game's fault: It is all about grinding and not about fun. There are no missions where you really need team play and coordination or even special class roles. Most people tend to play alone or with a group from DPS channels, because it is simply easier, safer and faster.
We, at least, had the advantage, that most of our leaders are DPS players, so our forum has always contained a lot of builds, tips and hints. What we did to approach the "casual" players, was to ban (unasked) DPS postings out of the fleet channel and the forum's shoutbox as well as trying to fill STF groups in the fleet channel first, to show all that they are still welcome, whether they do 10k or not. Because, be honest, if you can do 30k+ yourself, you can handle 1-2 non-dps players. It may be more difficult, but take it as a challenge ;)
Lea@omegashoker (Sci, Tal-Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser): 75,509 DPS
R'Lea@omegashoker (Tac, Scimitar with Aux2Bat): 129,698 DPS
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#10899487 Apr 07, 2015 at 07:38 AM
23 Posts
I've left a few fleets due to most of them being Anti-DPS, and it may happen in the fleet my ground toon is in. I already pretty much stay silent in fleet chat whenever someone asks for advice or opinions due to the response I've had in the past.

The only people I talk to really are a few friends and the DPS channels. The channels are now my 'fleet'.


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#10901865 Apr 07, 2015 at 05:13 PM
DPS-50,000
2 Posts
You want to check out UFP ufplantes.com, it's a great community and has a dedicated group for DPSer, the Elite Strike Force.

Kind regards
Bryan@patrokolus (UFP-Bryan)
50k
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#10904907 Apr 08, 2015 at 10:41 AM · Edited over 6 years ago
DPS-50,000
5 Posts
well in the fleet where i am in all are welcome. i usually when asked for advice refer to my own build page on the sto academy site or the standard 10k build. fleet knows i am 30+ dps fleet leaders are not but are casual players so no biggie there, sure there are members in the fleet that are anti-dps. note: not much fleeties online at any given time! so i am forced to play with dps channels or pug at some point. and pugging is a nice challenge for once in a while.

But general DPSers are accused of being elitists or game destroyers, cause the very high dpsers 50k and more are in there fews the reason for all the increase in difficulty meaning more HP on mobs and all the nerfs.

But lets be clear this game is a grind and DPS is needed to smoothen out the grind (make it less painful and job feel),

I for one like to improve myself and char and am happy where i sit now, main is 30k+ and two alts are 10k (including delta recruit). 3 alts are not but close to it. and want to have fun, fun is winning, beating the ods or the timer, and winning means DPS like others have stated here and on the STO forums itself!

It is for the player to decide what is fun for he or she to do in the game or not to do!

If you like to role play fine. like casual play fine, like to fly around fine, want to go for high dps an better yourself thats fine.
but for some nothing is good unless other players do what they do, thats life!! and sometimes that means go with the flow! and for this game that means DPS, especially for all resources farming dill and elite marks such as bnp's and such and crafting mats!!


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#10907212 Apr 08, 2015 at 08:45 PM
DPS Operators
95 Posts
To play devils advocate here, we can be rather elitist about things like ISA, who really needs to finish it in 3 minutes when you have 5 times that to do it.

Look at the T1 ISA vid, ok they failed the optional, but they showed that you don't need dps to finish it.

If people are being 'anti-dps' try to help the specialise in another area, CC or Healing, with a well built team ISA could be down easily in under 10 mins.

The most efficient way is dps, there is no doubt about that, but there's other possibilities out there.
@ukcaptain420
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#10908160 Apr 09, 2015 at 04:19 AM
23 Posts
#10907212 Bob wrote:

To play devils advocate here, we can be rather elitist about things like ISA, who really needs to finish it in 3 minutes when you have 5 times that to do it.

Look at the T1 ISA vid, ok they failed the optional, but they showed that you don't need dps to finish it.

If people are being 'anti-dps' try to help the specialise in another area, CC or Healing, with a well built team ISA could be down easily in under 10 mins.

The most efficient way is dps, there is no doubt about that, but there's other possibilities out there.



That's why I think we need to come up with some more 'alternative' builds. Too many people are stuck in the mindset that we're all in AP FAW A2B Scimitars and spacebar mashing while parked.

I realise that the vast majority of abilities in the game are pretty weak, but is there a way to make a few more of them viable? At least then it gives people more options to play the way they want to.


That being said, I usually don't care how long an ISA takes (especially with the lag the way it is). I do, however, like it not to fail. That's not down to being elitist, but liking people to be more aware of what they're doing, and what others are doing. The T1 ISA is good example of that. The lower the dps of the team, the more teamwork is needed to succeed.


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#10911642 Apr 09, 2015 at 10:29 PM
DPS-50,000
1 Post
I would love it if our wonderful benefactors at Cryptic would remember that there are a lot of people that like to play a tank, or healer, or whatever is appropriate. I would love to see that as well. My mindset is kill as fast as possible. To me that means DPS. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to have an awesome tank that is relevant to the success of a team mission. The have many other possible ways to make money off of us if they open the missions up to more than just DPS.
You win battles by knowing the enemy's timing, and using a timing which the enemy does not expect.
~Miyamoto Musashi

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#10916052 Apr 10, 2015 at 11:53 PM
DPS-PRIME
5 Posts
#10911642 dylankosh wrote:

I would love it if our wonderful benefactors at Cryptic would remember that there are a lot of people that like to play a tank, or healer, or whatever is appropriate. I would love to see that as well. My mindset is kill as fast as possible. To me that means DPS. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to have an awesome tank that is relevant to the success of a team mission. The have many other possible ways to make money off of us if they open the missions up to more than just DPS.



DPS is the most efficient way. Except that effective tanks, support and healers also can do DPS due to DPS being directly proportional to your piloting skills.

If you look at high performance runs or record runs in the parse or video, those recluse nannies can do 15k-20k DPS, while a Sci DPS recluse build like NMej doing 72k DPS. Vels Tank is around 50k+.

The support ships exist and viable but they are not recommended for new players or even veteran players having difficulty pushing their Scimitar or any of their DPS ship beyond 20k DPS.
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#10962075 Apr 22, 2015 at 05:59 AM
DPS-75,000
5 Posts
I am a trekkie, therefore I am also a member of the Star Trek Battles channel … The " no high dps wanted " , remember? Now… guess what ? Afaik , they had to come out with builds and tactics able to push more DPS , always respecting the canon rules and always coupled with good teamwork, because NONE loves failing STFs .
I doubt you would call them " DPS elitists ".
However, that's the way the game is .
Anyway, I have been a casual player flying ships and stuff for fun , I didn't care about DPS, I used to pug but, at the same time , I didn't have any stigmas against DPS guys : they were playing their own way, I was playing my own way ( pugging ) and that's it .
The ones with the stigma are not only lazy but - which is the bad thing - envious
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#10977213 Apr 25, 2015 at 11:14 PM · Edited 6 years ago
DPS-75,000
11 Posts
After 3 years of loyal service and working my ass off,my good friend and I left this fleet.She was one of it's best assets & one of the best staff officers any fleet could wish for & would be lucky to have
The Commander of the fleet was gone when the heat of the drama took place,99% of the time he's a fair man but in this case he sacrificed us in favor of
the anti-dps opinions from the faction who are responsible for this divisiveness.

I once read a post on reddit by a guy who calls himself "lowlifecat"

He said he would not tolerate anyone hating on low dps players and he especially would not tolerate anyone hating on pro-dps players.I wish I knew who he was so I could track down his quote,he's probably a member of this league if not a Wizard.

I just found out who he is.

Snipey was wonderful in helping with this situation,his STO forum post was worded great and Everything in it was the truth.It was taken down after the parties involved spoke with the commander of the fleet,it had turned into a flame war which took away from the effect it was met to have,and a big part of that was to end the bigotry in fleet by some members,rank & file,staff and senior staff shown towards pro-dps players.


A huge part of the argument of the anti-dps crowd came in the form that I was pushy with dps.Nothing could be farther from the truth.The fact that this was echoed then,and still has today by Access Denied's fleet Founder & it's Commander has led me to make a decision and Not accept their offer to came back at a lower rank in a probation period,this would Only empower the anti-dps faction,the fact that the founder & commander give credence to the anti-dps faction has led me to not accept an offer to come back shamed.

Ahh,pick your battles?

Take it and change them from within you say?

Maybe so,but to turn my head while I watch new members who want to be better get stepped on,made to feel bad because they are not allowed to ask questions in fleet chat,when they do they are bullied and made to feel like outsiders,hell no,not on my watch

How many members of the DPS league are there?

15,000 plus and growing? Am I expected to sit by and watch as members are made to feel bad for doing good? Not I,not in this life or the next one,if I ever go back,my conditions will be met,this was once a great fleet and to see it sink to this level because the founder and commander were pressured,who knows,they maybe anti-dps even though they say they're not.

Sad day for me & my friends still in this fleet under a gag,the commander's offer left me feeling bitter and scorned and "Hell hath no fury",but out of respect for those hard working members,rank,file and staff still close friends,I'll check my fury and save it for the borg :D




When your games’s on the fritz with lag,you get frustrated.When you get frustrated your daughter imitates,when your daughter imitates, she gets thrown out of school. When she gets thrown out of school, she meets undesirables. When she meets undesirables, she ties the knot with undesirables. And when she ties the knot with undesirables, you get a grandson with a dog collar. Don’t have a grandson with a dog collar,get rid of lag
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#12357704 May 06, 2016 at 11:08 PM
DPS-Public
1 Post
#10977213 Kate wrote:

I'll check my fury and save it for the borg :D



If you've never seen it before, this is exactly what the high road looks like -- Bravo! After a pug sometimes I pm a low DPS player and ask them, "Has anyone ever showed you how to break through the +10k DPS barrier?".
When
responded to, I've always been met with positive replies. I used that same approach in the former fleet I used to be in.
The other approach was, while in fleet chat channel, another member and I would "hold a conversation about tips on DPS". Sometimes members would join in the conversation, and we made them feel welcomed for doing so. All in all, I like your attitude in the whole matter. Big G@GvnfireX
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